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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

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  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  We can google WT attorney's name and find out if he's with a decent firm/sole practitioner

  Paul Polidoro both lives and works at Watchtower HQ.
  Something with trusting the cat to guard the cream....
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  Reaction to GDPR / field service letter

  by sir82 in

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  here is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.

  i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.

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  What if the householder agrees or provides consent to the publisher to record his personal details to facilitate a future visit?

  
  Here's the interesting thing about GDPR: it's not just about a person consenting. There's a whole array of rules and requirements to take care of when it comes to GDPR:
  

  • The person must unambiguously and voluntarily consent, and there must be a record of it. So JW would need to have a form the householder can sign?
  • The person must be informed beforehand for what purposes his data will be used, how long it will be retained, whom it will be shared with, etc. So JW would have to have a policy on that and make that available to the return visit.
  • The person would have the right to view the data JW stored on him, have errors corrected, or his data removed completely. Whom would a person have to contact when it comes to return visit records?
  • The JW must have clear and written policy on how they'll protect the data. They can't leak it in any way or form; it must be stored quite secure and accessible only to authorized people. The messy paper notes in sister Seniles handbag or floating around in bro. Twentysomething Pioneers car aren't exactly that.

  And so on and so on. Getting consent is the least of the troubles of GDPR.

  And Watchtower will be co-responsible and co-liable for each and every note that any publisher makes....

  That's why they said: No. More. Notes.

  
  

  There is no way Watchtower could safely (for their wallet) arrange this. No even Jehovah could help them on this.
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  @thefallguy:

  This case wasn't really about copyright yet. It was about whether Reddit should disclose Darkspilvers identity to Watchtower.

  So the judge only checked if Watchtower's copyright claim have at least some merit. This judge didn't need to really rule on whether Darkspilver violated copyright or not.

  The judged ruled that Watchtowers case has enough merit to justify sueing him for copyright infringement, therefore she ordered Reddit to give up his ID to Watchtowers lawyers.
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  Does the GB/WT now ,ever talk about 6,000 years of human history ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  in c.t.russell`s time it was supposed to have ended in the late 1880`s ,when jesus christ was supposed to have returned in 1874 ,and armageddon was to have happened in 1914 according to wt publications back then .. around about 1968/9 they amended that time frame to the year 1975 as the end of 6000 years of human history ,and they said in their publications that it would be an appropriate time for christ jesus to begin his 1000 year rule over the earth.. which would align with wt teaching that a creative day was 7,000 years long.. i think the book was "life everlasting in freedom of the sons of god " wtb&ts .

  my question is : do they still talk about 6,000 of human history ?.

  do they still talk about 7,000 years as a creative day ?

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  Anders Andersen

  I wonder if he'll get a resurrection?

  He looks like he could use one...
  
  
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  Does the GB/WT now ,ever talk about 6,000 years of human history ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in c.t.russell`s time it was supposed to have ended in the late 1880`s ,when jesus christ was supposed to have returned in 1874 ,and armageddon was to have happened in 1914 according to wt publications back then .. around about 1968/9 they amended that time frame to the year 1975 as the end of 6000 years of human history ,and they said in their publications that it would be an appropriate time for christ jesus to begin his 1000 year rule over the earth.. which would align with wt teaching that a creative day was 7,000 years long.. i think the book was "life everlasting in freedom of the sons of god " wtb&ts .

  my question is : do they still talk about 6,000 of human history ?.

  do they still talk about 7,000 years as a creative day ?

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  My question is : Do they still talk about 6,000 of human history ?

  Yes.

  Do they still talk about 7,000 years as a creative day ? "From paradise Lost To Paradise Regained " WTB&TS

  No. They now ambiguously state that creation days can be 'many thousands of years'. This accommodates the old timers who still believe in 7000 years but at the same time allows the younger crowd to accept scientific evidence that plants and animals existed long before 49.000 years ago (of course they still ignore the evidence re the age of mankind). They're really masters of word crafting.
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  Do not record any not at homes!

  by Lost in the fog in

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  apparently the letter was read out to all uk congregations at the mid-week meeting this week a friend of ours said.

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  https://truthandtransparency.org/news/2019/5/15/jehovahs-witnesses-overhaul-proselytizing-procedures-in-response-to-eu-regulation.

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  Anders Andersen

  @lostinthefog:

  If it were only the not at homes JW wouldn't really notice I guess. But the best part is they can't record any of their return visits and foreign languages anymore either.

  (Just adding because the OP subject)
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  a non-jw lawyer legally gets access to the name of Darkspliver's identity, would he be legally obligated to tell the WTS?

  In this case only the lawyers for WTS can know Darkspilvers identity. If they would reveal his identity to Watchtower they'd be violating a court order, which could/will have severe consequences for them.

  So not even Polidoro can disclose Darkspilvers identity to his fellow JW hotshots. The big question is....will he obey the judge or not.
  
  
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  Does anybody know if the WTBS' lawyers are JW's themselves or some outside firm?

  They often use both. In this case Paul Polidoro (a hotshot JW) is main counsel. A external firm is also involved but Polidoro was doing the talking in court.

  He's not even a bad lawyer, he also won some Supreme Court cases. As a JW and human being perhaps he could improve....
  
  
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  @betterdaze,

  The official documents (including the judge's ruling) that also list who the lawyers are for Watchtower can be found here:

  https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/8509534/in-re-dmca-subpoena-to-reddit-inc/
  
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  How will they obtain his identity? A lot create fake email accounts and all Reddit asks for is an email address and username when joining.

  • Worst case: Darkspilver bought Reddit coins with his personal credit card, and Reddit actually knows his full name and address.
  • Slightly less worse case: Darkspilver signed up to Reddit with his personal email address that identifies him (e.g. [email protected])

  More likely case:

  • Reddit doesn't actually know the real identity of Darkspilver.
  • But Reddit most likely keeps some logs of user activity which include the IP address the user had at that time.
    
  • From the IP address Watchtower knows the ISP Darkspilver used/uses.
  • Watchtower can then summon the ISP to hand over the name and address of the subscriber that used said IP adress(es).

  There are however some things that may save Darkspilver in this case:

  • If Darkspilver always used a VPN while using Reddit, the IP address cannot be used to trace Darkspilvers real identity.
  • If Darkspilver always used Reddit from a network that is not their own (e.g. a free wifi somewhere in a McDonalds or a Starbucks, at school/work, or some friend or family member's network), Watchtower may run into quite a struggle to get the real identity (if at all possible).
  • If Darkspilver doesn't live in the USA and doesn't use any Watchtower-controlled internet connection, then their ISP may very well ignore Watchtower's demand to know the real identity of the subscriber. I know a Dutch ISP would ignore such a demand.

  So there are quite a few variables that are currently unknown to us that can ether make or break this case....